Another Happy Harley Owner

[VStarMan]

<div></div><div></div><div><strong>This happy quote comes from a Harley forum for you to enjoy:</strong></div><div>Love my 2007 Roadking Classic ... never noticed anything hot or noisy, but had the factory re-map anyway.<br>Buying a new one .. go for it! Negotiate in the new seat, the passenger back rest ( and brackets), new handle bars and cables if you don't like reaching over the bike to ride ( I like to sit up straight or lean back a little with my elbows bent.) You may also not like the quiet pipes buying a Harley ...so get the Screaming Eagle or Vance Hines Slip-ons and Stage 1 kit to really feel and hear the bike.<br><br>Got that? In addition to your 20K ..New bars, chrome controls and cables ($1800.00) New Seat ($500) New pipes with throat ($1000) Rider Back Rest &amp; Luggage Rack ($500) Heated Grips ($200) ..so that adds another $4k to the price to make her feel and look like what you expected.</div><p>Message Edited by VStarMan on <span class="date_text">02-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">05:24 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by VStarMan on <span class="date_text">02-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">05:24 PM</span></p>

[donahue42]

<div>Yeah but even after spending $24,000.00 his first words are &quot;Love my 07 Road King&quot;. Sounds better than spending $16,580.00 on a Star Stratoliner and no matter what money you put in it you still ain't got a Harley! BTW Road King Classic is $17,695.00 not 20K and holy cow you get cruise control with that!</div>

[Kev_M]

<div></div><div><br></div><blockquote><div><hr>VStarMan wrote:<br><div><strong>This happy quote comes from a Harley forum for you to enjoy:</strong></div><div>Love my 2007 Roadking Classic ... never noticed anything hot or noisy, but had the factory re-map anyway.<br>Buying a new one .. go for it! Negotiate in the new seat, the passenger back rest ( and brackets), new handle bars and cables if you don't like reaching over the bike to ride ( I like to sit up straight or lean back a little with my elbows bent.) You may also not like the quiet pipes buying a Harley ...so get the Screaming Eagle or Vance Hines Slip-ons and Stage 1 kit to really feel and hear the bike.<br><br>Got that? In addition to your 20K ..New bars, chrome controls and cables ($1800.00) New Seat ($500) New pipes with throat ($1000) Rider Back Rest &amp; Luggage Rack ($500) Heated Grips ($200) ..so that adds another $4k to the price to make her feel and look like what you expected.</div><br><hr></div></blockquote><div>OMFG will you stop trolling it makes you look pathetic.</div><div> </div><div>New bars - WHY? I didn't need em on mine thanks</div><div> </div><div>New chrome controls - **bleep**</div><div> </div><div>New cables - only if dyckless can't reach the **bleep** bars</div><div> </div><div>New Seat - $500??? Who the F custom made that for him? Shyte I did change the seat on mine, more cause I wanted to then I had to, but for $300 or so I got an awesome Corbin made in a custom leather color.</div><div> </div><div>Pipes - $1000k for pipes? Gimmie an effin brake - how about $50 for a set of take off, then cut out the baffles, redrill em and tac em back in (what, can't weld, someone will do it for you for under $100).</div><div> </div><div>Rider backrest/luggage rack - $500 ??? again - WHY? buy some used parts for maybe $100 or $200, but even if you gotta go new and stock, maybe $300-400.. ok, fine.</div><div> </div><div>Heated Grips - $200 - what are you whining about, even BMW charges you at least that for grips.</div><div> </div><div>Oh and the F'n RK only lists for about $17 and change... so it's obvious that shyte is made-up by some @sswhipe Harley-Hater or, if by some chance it is real, but some dyckless rubbie who actually paid that cause he's too stupid to know better.</div><div> </div><div>The fact that you believe it in either case does not reflect well on you.</div><div> </div><div>And gimmie a f'n break. Like ANYONE buys a motorcycle and doesn't add SOMETHING in the way of accessories...</div><div> </div><div>ooooooo ppuuuuhhhhleeeeeeeeeezzzzzzeeeee :D</div><div> </div><div>K</div><div> </div><div><br> </div><div></div>

[Kev_M]

<div>CLIFF NOTES TO MY PREVIOUS POST -</div><div> </div><div>Stop being a stupid troll.</div><div> </div><div>Those numbers are BS.</div><div> </div><div>Only an IDIOT would believe them, nevermind POST them.</div><div> </div><div>K</div>

[Honda919Rider]

<div><div><br><blockquote><div><hr>Kev_M wrote:<br><div>CLIFF NOTES TO MY PREVIOUS POST -</div><div> </div><div>Stop being a stupid troll.</div><div> </div><div>Those numbers are BS.</div><div> </div><div>Only an IDIOT would believe them, nevermind POST them.</div><div> </div><div>K</div><br><hr></div></blockquote><br><div></div></div>Those may be installed figures and they seem realistic to me.</div><div> </div><div>A premium exhaust for a &quot;sport bike&quot; can be darn near $2K - plus installation!</div><div> </div><div>I think you took some bait and choked on it, but that is just me . . .</div>

[hacksaw]

<div>kevin, why waste your typing? the guy is stuck with whatever vstarr moma said he could afford, and know has one of the bigger insecurity complexs the board has seen in a while. its shamefull trolling, i agree. he seems a lost cause</div>

[Wolf]

<div>Who do you know that buys a motorcycle and then makes <strong>NO</strong> changes to it? Part of the fun is taking something you love and then making it more uniquely yours.</div>

[donahue42]

<div>Thanks for backin' me up Kev! I thought something smelled fishy!</div>

[Kev_M]

<div>Steve - I know it's bait, but sometimes I read that shyte and it just pisses me off that some other person might not realize that.</div><div> </div><div>As for exhaust prices, the VAST majority of Harley guys JUST replace slip-on Mufflers which at WORST only cost $200-300. MY point was there is no reason to do all that, but EVEN if he does slip-ons, an air intake AND a relfash it would be hard to spend $1k installed.</div><div> </div><div>Hack - yeah, I know, but like I said, I'm doing it for the poor unfortunate fool who would be otherwise taken unaware.</div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Kev_M on <span class="date_text">02-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">04:54 PM</span></p>

[hacksaw]

<div><div><strong>Hack - yeah, I know, but like I said, I'm doing it for the poor unfortunate fool who would be otherwise taken unaware.</strong></div><div><strong></strong> </div><div>ah yes. you always have been quite benevolant with your moto knowledge. please, continue on!!!!</div><div><strong></strong> </div></div>

[RonnnM]

<div>I met a guy last summer that rode a Vstar.Although it looked like a nice bike(not my taste), I got the impression he wished it was a Harley-Ron</div>

[VStarMan]

<div><div><strong>Thanks Man.... You are right.... Actually I think a FatBoy would fit me pretty good!<br></strong><blockquote><div><hr>RonnnM wrote:<br><div>I met a guy last summer that rode a Vstar.Although it looked like a nice bike(not my taste), I got the impression he wished it was a Harley-Ron</div><br><hr></div></blockquote><br><div></div></div></div>

[ButtCrack]

<blockquote><hr>VStarMan wrote:<br><div><div><strong>Thanks Man.... You are right.... Actually I think a FatBoy would fit me pretty good!<br></strong></div></div></blockquote><br><hr><br><br><b>I have a Fatboy and it's too &quot;Grown up&quot; for you.</b><br><br><i>You've been thrown out of a HD dealership more then once haven't you.....</i><p>Message Edited by ButtCrack on <span class="date_text">02-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">05:17 PM</span></p>

[Ca2scoot]

<div></div><div><br><blockquote><div><hr>ButtCrack wrote:<br><i>You've been thrown out of a HD dealership more then once haven't you.....</i><p>Message Edited by ButtCrack on <span class="date_text">02-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">05:17 PM</span></p><br><hr></div></blockquote><br><div>concidering HD has significant product setting on the dealership floor (according to an industry anaylist), I doubt many folks are being thrown out of dealerships these days, you arrogant ass.</div></div>

[OldRoadToad]

Where oh where is the Highwayman or Biffy when you need them?<br><br>As for STAR... I married a real woman, not an inflatable luv doll. If I want a bike that looks like a Harley-Davidson, then I will buy a Harley-Davidson, not some worth less imitation of life.<br><br>I once suggested a new STAR T-Shirt to some STAR-children. It reads as follows:<br><br>&quot;If you can read this, the ***** deflated.&quot;<br><br>And yes, I realise that this thread was bait, but I all so know that VStarMan is just trying to have some fun and I really doubt that he rides a STAR, but if he does I really do not mind as it was his money and I can not make him buy some thing he wants but can not bring him self to admit that he wants. And what might that be? A real Harley-Davidson motorcycle.<br><br>Oh, and by the way, I have said as much and more to STAR-children in person. They took it about as well as they dished it out, but it was they who started it with me.<br><br>I am having a bit o' fun my self.<br><br>El Toado Verde

[rickdriver]

My &quot;03&quot; Road King cost me after tax &amp; tags $19K &amp; change.Then I added pipes around $450.Then some chrome knick nacks,no where near $24k though.It all comes down to what you want to spend OR what you can afford.I can do another $20k bike,BUT is that $20k bike that much better than the $11k bike?WANT,could be what the deciding factor is.

[sfarson]

<div></div><div></div><div>Just FWIW, bought an '07 RK. Have owned several Harley's previously. More than pleased with the performance, more than pleased with the new tranny, love the seat, feel no need to change the mapping. Plenty of chrome already. Have no heat issues. And the stock exhaust? What a nice improvement versus previous model. A real improvement in the note... nice, low, and deep. Will probably keep it. </div><div> </div><div>Yeah, cost some $$$. But you know, those looking at $$$ routinely look at only one side of the transaction equation, forgetting the typical sell. Earlier this year sold a Honda and a $$$BMW for a $$$bike. Very glad I had the $$$BMW to put towards the $$$bike. It typically all evens out.</div><div> </div><div>For sure, bikes are discretionary purchases. Given so, the heart as to be factored in. When I see clinical decisions for a bike, disillusionment and a lack of passion typically follow.</div><p>Message Edited by sfarson on <span class="date_text">02-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">10:33 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by sfarson on <span class="date_text">02-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">10:33 PM</span></p>

[Monkeyshines]

<div>Wow I didn't know RK's were up to that price range. Nice bikes but that <em>is</em> steep.</div>

[hacksaw]

<div><div><strong>&gt;&gt;&gt;For sure, bikes are discretionary purchases. Given so, the heart as to be factored in. When I see clinical decisions for a bike, disillusionment and a lack of passion typically follow.</strong></div><div><strong></strong> </div><div>very well put. thanks for sharing some true insight. harleys certainly inspire passion.</div></div>

[grizz0844]

<div>All bikes inspire passion, harley does not have the market cornered on that, I love my bike. I would like to own about 3-4 more but as that would involve divorce court and probably bankruptcy court I won't be able to pursue them at this time. It is not a clinical decision if you simply can not afford a harley.</div>

[sfarson]

<div><font color="#3333ff">&quot;All bikes inspire passion, harley does not have the market cornered on that, I love my bike. &quot;</font></div><div><font color="#3333ff"></font> </div><div>This is what counts, though not all bikes inspire passion for all people. More than a few don't understand this. More than a few Harleys are quite competitive price-wise but can understand when the initial acquisition costs are significant, forgetting the nice $$$ eventual sell someday. If the H-D product does nothing for the soul, forget the thing. What unimpresses me is when someone points out a bike that costs a little bit less, or has a few more ponies, etc. and because of these sanitary numbers tells everyone they are a fool for considering an alternative, even if that alternative does nothing for the person's heart. Lame.</div>

[hacksaw]

<div></div><div><br><blockquote><div><hr>sfarson wrote:<br><div><font color="#3333ff">&quot;All bikes inspire passion, harley does not have the market cornered on that, I love my bike. &quot;</font></div><div><font color="#3333ff"></font> </div><div>This is what counts, though not all bikes inspire passion for all people. More than a few don't understand this. More than a few Harleys are quite competitive price-wise but can understand when the initial acquisition costs are significant, forgetting the nice $$$ eventual sell someday. If the H-D product does nothing for the soul, forget the thing. What unimpresses me is when someone points out a bike that costs a little bit less, or has a few more ponies, etc. and because of these sanitary numbers tells everyone they are a fool for considering an alternative, even if that alternative does nothing for the person's heart. Lame.</div><br><hr></div></blockquote>so true.<br><div></div></div>

[dj]

<div></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">This is suppose to be a very cold weekend for us so I decided to start up my bikes and old Mustang yesterday before the real cold hits. My Mustang hasn't been started for over 3 months and the battery is old, so I really didn't expect it to crank.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">I knocked the snow off of it got in, turned off the heater knob and hit the starter. It turned over and after about 6 seconds I let off on the starter. I let it sit for about 10 seconds and hit it again. It started right up and I let it run.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">Next I went in the trailer to the Harley and it started as soon as I hit the key. It had been run and even ridden in January but no battery tender hooked to it.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">Next I went to the bike barn to start the Yamaha, the only bike with a battery tender hooked to it. It had also been ridden in January. It turned over slowly and after a few cranks turned to slowly to start. I let it sit for 15 minutes with the tender on it and tried it again. It turned over more quickly and even fired a couple of times before cranking slow again. The third time I did this it started.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">Looks like another battery will be needed again this year, plus new tires again. The tire life is so short on the bike even if you never burn out and hardly ride the bike at all. The engine paint is worn off or getting thin in several places. The bike doesn't sit or feel as good as either the Super Glide Custom I had or the Street Glide I now have.</font></div><div> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">The quality of paint was always good on the Yamaha, but they didn't chrome **** and it looked dull. I took many things to be chromed on the bike years ago and some of it is starting to look old. The bike has good quickness because it is geared so low compared to the harleys, both of them. The suspension on the Yamaha is good even after 21 years on the road.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">The Yamaha is still fun to ride sometimes but if something goes wrong with it, it costs an arm and a leg to get it fixed. Electrical problems kill many old bikes from Japan, it is hard to find the problems on old japers. You had better like your old Japan bike because soon it cost more to keep one running than it is worth.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">The bike cost $5280 new before tax and I have spent at least $9000 in the last 21 years fixing it or keeping it running. With that new battery and tires, oil &amp; filer changes the old V-Max will be a fun bike to ride again. Unless I get caught in the rain, still haven't found that short but the rain does.</font></div><div> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">It seems strange that a VStarRider is always here telling us what is wrong with our bikes and he rides a less than middle size Yamaha crusier that was never the best at anything, ever!! </font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff"></font> </div>

[grizz0844]

<div>You've gotten 21 yrs from your V-max that is great at the 9000 bucks to keep it running that figures out to be $428 and change per year that is not too bad. I do not know why Vstar man is constantly trying to pick a fight he should be happy with what he has and just let it go. </div>

[VStarMan]

<div><strong>He is happy with what he has...</strong></div><div><strong>He is happy with what you have....</strong></div><div><strong>He is happy that you are happy....</strong></div><div><div><br><blockquote><div><hr>grizz0844 wrote:<br><div>You've gotten 21 yrs from your V-max that is great at the 9000 bucks to keep it running that figures out to be $428 and change per year that is not too bad. I do not know why Vstar man is constantly trying to pick a fight he should be happy with what he has and just let it go. </div><br><hr></div></blockquote><br><div></div></div></div>

[VStarMan]

<div><strong>Now you have Hurt My Feelings....</strong></div><div>I mean, I would never put down or criticize your motorcycle...</div><div>A Psychiatrist would say that you are &quot;Projecting&quot; your inate unhappiness with your motorcycle and your sex life, and your life in general, into the traits of others; in order you justify your behaviour... In Other Words.... You Need Therapy..</div><div> </div><div>Now, in order to prove, for you, what I say;</div><div>I offer you to pull up all of my posts these past couple of months....</div><div>You will find that I am really a Pretty Neat Guy....</div><div>I know, I drink a little too much beer; and I probably fondle my wife too much...</div><div>But hey, that's got nothing to do with the Bike I ride!!!</div><div><div><br><blockquote><div><hr>dj wrote: <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff">It seems strange that a VStarRider is always here telling us what is wrong with our bikes and he rides a less than middle size Yamaha crusier that was never the best at anything, ever!! </font><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#3333ff"></font> </div><br><hr></div></blockquote><br><div></div></div></div>

[UncleErnie]

<div>&quot;I offer you to pull up all of my posts these past couple of months....<div>You will find that I am really a Pretty Neat Guy....&quot;</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>hang on-</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>still looking...</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div><strong>Wait!</strong></div><div><strong></strong> </div><div>no-</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>well, never mind</div></div>

[ButtCrack]

<br><blockquote><hr>Ca2scoot wrote:<br><div></div><div><br><blockquote><div><hr>ButtCrack wrote:<br><i>You've been thrown out of a HD dealership more then once haven't you.....</i><p>Message Edited by ButtCrack on <span class="date_text">02-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">05:17 PM</span></p><br><hr></div></blockquote><br><div>concidering HD has significant product setting on the dealership floor (according to an industry anaylist), I doubt many folks are being thrown out of dealerships these days, you arrogant ass.</div></div><br><hr></blockquote><br><br><br><b>You don't have a chance of knowing what you're talking about<br><br>You are LUCKy however,<br><br>You can Kiss me where I poop and I can't</b>

[Ca2scoot]

<div></div><div><p>&quot;In the short term, this could be a good thing for the dealers. From what I understand, many dealers around the country are way overstocked with bikes of all flavors. My dealer (in a brand new huge showroom) is wall-to-wall with '07s, a few leftover '06s, and several '05 rentals priced at just $2k below '07 MSRP, and they tell me they have half as many as are on the floor in the warehouse still in crates (and this is before their mandatory February allocation). All this and practically no sales action in the showroom. Maybe a temporary shortage of big bikes will let them clear out some stock before the '08s are announced in about six months. &quot;</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Azzcrack,</p><p>How does it feel to be so f**cking stupid that you can so easily be proved wrong??</p></div><p>Message Edited by Ca2scoot on <span class="date_text">02-04-2007</span><span class="time_text">06:09 PM</span></p>

[ButtCrack]

<blockquote><hr>Ca2scoot wrote:Azzcrack, How does it feel to be so f**cking stupid that you can so easily be proved wrong??<br><hr></blockquote><br><br><br><b>I'll let you know IF I am ever proven wrong ...</b>

[hacksaw]

<div><strong>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;$20k bike that much better than the $11k</strong></div><div> </div><div>not if the 11k bike is a used harley. late model police RK's have been known to go for that. there is simply no reason or excuse to buy a 11k japper cruiser and come in here and troll harley threads.</div><div> </div><div>and ya know what? a used 11k harley will be worth 8500.00 still in 3 years, your brand new 11k metric will be worth at most 4k. LOL!</div>

[Joemama]

<div>Another happy owner:</div><div> </div><div><div><u><font color="#0000ff"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.harleywobble.com/">http://www.harleywobble.com</a></font></u></div></div>

[Joemama]

<div></div><div>and another:</div><div> </div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060413/ai_n16172455">http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060413/ai_n16172455</a></div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>But dont worry your brand new bike can be rideable for only $480 + shipping:</div><div> </div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://www.wobblefixer.com/">http://www.wobblefixer.com/</a></div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Joemama on <span class="date_text">02-28-2007</span><span class="time_text">10:25 PM</span></p>

[Geoff]

<div>JM, don't you have something more substantive to contribute? </div>

[Wolf]

<div>Great way to introduce yourself to the forums, JM :(</div>

[Joemama]

<div></div><div></div><div><div><div>Substantive? did you read this thread or what? </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Topic was how its ridiculous to buying so many add-ons for a new bike.</div><div> </div><div>Acutally I disagree with the stuff the orignal posted becuase many bikes can benifit from aftermarket seats and things of that nature and its not like you NEED a more comfortable seat or various afore mentioned farkles. Although on such a (relatively speaking) expensive bike I can see how the original poster would have come to his position.</div><div> </div><div> I do find it fairly ridiculous that buying an add-on to make your brand new bike (while riding it in a normal manner) not tank-slapper your azz into a wall pretty much insane (all bikes could benefit from something like a damper when you unload the front wheel during extreme accleration or bumps, but thats not what this is for its durning the course of normal riding). Yes I'm now going to hear the &quot;well my bike doesnt do that&quot; arguement but guess what its a widely known and referenced &quot;feature&quot; which is also echoed by CHP, so obviously their is an air of truth to it, not to mention a market to fix it.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div></div></div><p>Message Edited by Joemama on <span class="date_text">03-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">01:53 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Joemama on <span class="date_text">03-01-2007</span><span class="time_text">01:56 PM</span></p>

[Joemama]

<div>&gt;Great way to introduce yourself to the forums, JM</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Thanks. ;)</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[moondoggie]

<div>I don't see anything wrong with alerting fellow riders about a potential handling problem of a motorcycle. I took a new fatboy for a demo ride a couple years back. It's handling was sub standard in my opinion, felt like it could very easily go into a wobble on the highway.</div>

[EdgyDrifter]

<div>I agree--if there really is a problem, let's hear about it! I've been musing on picking up a Dyna for my next ride, but around here 75 - 80 mph on the freeway is not excessive. Heck, it's my morning commute most days.</div><div> </div><div>This may just be a case of overhyped ambulance chasing. If so, shame on the lawyers. On the other hand, if certain HD models really do have &quot;high-speed&quot; handling problems then shame on HD for building bikes with 96 cubic-inch motors, six-speed gear boxes and speedos that read up to 120 mph, but can't be ridden safely over 80.</div><div> </div><div>I want to believe that HD has enough years of R&amp;D under its belt that it wouldn't let a bad chassis design make it to production. Still, it wouldn't be the first time that an established vehicle manufacturer let something slip onto the market that (in hindsight) seemed like an obvious flaw.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Kev_M]

<div></div><div><br></div><blockquote><div><hr>EdgyDrifter wrote:<br><div>I agree--if there really is a problem, let's hear about it! I've been musing on picking up a Dyna for my next ride, but around here 75 - 80 mph on the freeway is not excessive. Heck, it's my morning commute most days.</div><div> </div><div>This may just be a case of overhyped ambulance chasing. If so, shame on the lawyers. On the other hand, if certain HD models really do have &quot;high-speed&quot; handling problems then shame on HD for building bikes with 96 cubic-inch motors, six-speed gear boxes and speedos that read up to 120 mph, but can't be ridden safely over 80.</div><div> </div><div>I want to believe that HD has enough years of R&amp;D under its belt that it wouldn't let a bad chassis design make it to production. Still, it wouldn't be the first time that an established vehicle manufacturer let something slip onto the market that (in hindsight) seemed like an obvious flaw.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><br><hr></div></blockquote><div>Anecdotal I know, but I've put over 100k miles on various Harley EVOs, including solid mount sportys, rubbermounts sportys, and big twins (FLHs, FXDs, FLSTs), plus I've spent some time either on TC88' FXDs or chasing them through the curves. (and this is in addition to quite a number of Japanese and European bikes I've owned too).</div><div> </div><div>Ask DJ who quite handily ran the Cherohalla at speeds of 65-75+ in the curves and topping 100 on the straight aways.</div><div> </div><div>No sign of a &quot;wobble&quot; on any of these.</div><div> </div><div>I vote ambulence chasers.</div><div> </div><div>OR</div><div> </div><div>is it possible, that when some of these bikes are modified or damaged in some way (steering head bearing, fork alignment, wheels, suspensions lowered etc) that an unsafe condition is sometimes created?</div><div> </div><div>I'm open to both possibilities, but until I or someone I know experiences it and can't find the cause, then I'm not real worried about it.</div><div> </div><div>K<br></div><div></div>

[VStarMan]

<div><strong>I have never understood why we have to buy a new bike, and then throw the pipes and the seat into the garbage can... Why don't the mfg. have some kind of &quot;Buy Back&quot; program for parts that have &quot;never been used&quot;????</strong></div><div><div><br><blockquote><div><hr>Joemama wrote:<br><div></div><div></div><div><div><div>Acutally I disagree with the stuff the orignal posted becuase many bikes can benifit from aftermarket seats and things of that nature and its not like you NEED a more comfortable seat or various afore mentioned farkles. Although on such a (relatively speaking) expensive bike I can see how the original poster would have come to his position.</div><div> </div><div> I do find it fairly ridiculous that buying an add-on to make your brand new bike (while riding it in a normal manner) not tank-slapper your azz into a wall pretty much insane (all bikes could benefit from something like a damper when you unload the front wheel during extreme accleration or bumps, but thats not what this is for its durning the course of normal riding). Yes I'm now going to hear the &quot;well my bike doesnt do that&quot; arguement but guess what its a widely known and referenced &quot;feature&quot; which is also echoed by CHP, so obviously their is an air of truth to it, not to mention a market to fix it.</div><div><br><hr></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><div></div></div></div>

[glider]

<div>An Electraglide will get alittle loose [ will float around ] at about 100 mph. I suspect it has more to do with the batwing than anything else. Stable as a train up until then, as a matter of fact, 80 mph is the sweet spot. Won't do more than about 105 or 110 anyway. It aint a sport touring bike. As long as wind blast doesn't bother you the Dyna can be ridden as fast as it will go all day long. It aint a sport bike thou. With very little suspension work it can be made to handle very good but outa the box it's a cruiser-standard. With all the choices we have today , if your bike wont do what you want it to, you bought the wrong bike. Buy the way, a good rider on a dyna will smoke a poor rider on a sport bike every time! You can ride a slow bike fast or a fast bike slow, whats the difference?</div>

[sfarson]

<div>Mostly ride bikes from other makes. Fast ones. Dual sport ones. Also enjoy the Milwaukee product. Have owned numerous H-D's over the years. Never once any issue with &quot;wobble&quot;, or handling, or reliability. Not once. It has easily been the most reliable make I ride... not Honda (stators), not BMW (clutches), not Ducati (electrical), and etc.</div>

[Joemama]

<div>You'd have to be pretty bad rider to get beaten on a sportbike by someone on a cruiser. Everything is stacked in favor of the sportbike (weight, brakes, ground clearance, power, steering geometry, body position, C of G, etc), riding fast is not the point of a cruiser.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>One thing that is really bad on cruiser type bikes for stablility at speed is the fork mounted windshield, if anyone has one of those it could also be a problem.</div>